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Nagra 3/ Security-IKS
c/p from another site....thanks Notorius & ipnone
i put this here in the rumor mill section because until proven that is what it is
Facts about IKS - Accessing Nagra 3
Nagra 3, which BEV and DN are using on their systems, and many fear is unbreakable is....well, broken. Its just a matter of implementing it in FTA, if this can be done because the current break is being used in Europe with Card-sharing (IKS) as well as in Nfusion in Canada/USA and Mexico.
For those who say Nfusion did not hack Nagra3. your right they didnt. They don't have to because this is the way they designed their equipment to work.
Nfusion can operate in 3 ways. (Although most people are only aware of 2).
IKS/Card Sharing - The involves sharing woring key data, almost as if you were running a subscription. This is Nfusions primary method.
Emulator - Nfusion can run in full emulation which most receivers cannot. Most are partial, although they claim full. CNX is an example of Full Emu. Although Nfusion does not currently allow both emulator and IKS . Although they have in the past, and they will again in the future. This is a "card hack" that is the same as using an Fta Receiver and Autorolling bins. This is Nfusions secondary (or backup).
KS - Yes, just plain old Key-sharing, which is pre-loaded and not maintained by internet connections. Some IKS boxes already do this (I believe Neo-IKS does this) and SonicView is currently in the works of designing a circuit board that can be added inside SV boxes. It is the same as IKS , except users are downloading the data, lets say to USB and loading them to the boxes. A mix between Emulation and IKS sort of.
At the moment, Nfusion is running IKS , but when problems occur they can release an Emulated BIN , they have done this before when having issues with IKS . At the moment we have only seen Nagra 3 operate on IKS , but that is not to say they don't have an emulator working on it.
Now, I keep reading posts and whiners saying "NFUSION NEVER HACKED N3, ITS JUST A TEMPORARY WORKAROUND." and/or "They can only access some channels, they suck/have no way to carck nagra3".
-Their goal was not the crack Nagra 3. They use key/card sharing and they have proven themselves in IKS as no other box has accessed Nagra 3 yet. Nfusion intended to use IKS to access Nagra 3 and its working. Yes at the moment they can only access some channels, and yes the list is growing daily. No one receiver coding team can snap their fingers and all the channels are there. Even when cards were cracked, we have Football Cards, Hockey Cards, Movies, Locals, etc. We didn't get "wide open" right away. Also, it is not a temporary fix, IT IS THE FIX. Some believe the job they have done is incomplete. IT IS COMPLETE. Now they are just adding channels.
The reason they don't have all the channels is because they are acquiring key data for each and every channel. It is believed they are using subscription cards (new N3/G3 cards) and sharing them amoung IKS followers (nf) allowing them access to whatever channels that card accesses. Remember when you get a sub, you dont a card and then EVERY channel is open. You get packages like sports, movies, dish 500, etc. So even if they are using Subscription cards, and people believe this will be caught and removed, they are so far the ONLY known people to read a Nagra 3 card and/or data. So before you go bashing Nfusion, they have done more than anyone else and are the only ones with a working Nagra 3 system. They have done an outstanding job. Basically, yes Nfusion has cracked Nagra 3. No they didnt release a wide open emulator. But this was their intentions, even their Nagra 2 runs on IKS not emulation.
IKS Security - Don't fear being caught or let anyone scare you
As an IKS user you take a chance, same chance as using a modified FTA box. Some people take extra steps to secure their IKS box "just in case". Remember (in Canada at least) you have rights while using the internet, many of which internet providers try to break by using EULA, but the law overpowers them in every way.
IKS Security:
Note: IKS is already on a secure connection, if Dik or B*v were able to catch users on the secure servers, they would have done so already. They can not.
Use a proxy, this involves connecting to a server somewhere else in the world, and can be done more than once to provide a lily-pad theory, so even if they did track your connection it would bounce through China to Germany to India back to China.
Use cable-hack, for those with cable internet access. if you are really worried and have a little extra spending cash. There is a cable modem, gone by the terms of Cable-Hack and we actually have a section in our forums. It is a non-provisioned cable modem, similar to that the cable company provides. This modem allows you to set your own settings instead of the cable co doing it for you. It allows you to remove your speed cap (not recommend because cable co can obviously recognize this) but also allows you to use the internet privately, and not reveal your IP/Identity. Meant for IKS users!
IKS is much safer than everyone thinks. Many people are scared, but you have just as good as a chance as being caught with an FTA Box. Allow there is no e-trail, law enforcement have many ways of detecting if you are using a service. I was previously with Cogeco Cable Loss Prevention and we had a device that when aimed at a cable line, similar to a radar gun, would show a live picture of the cable turning an orange colour, like infra red. Dish can check records to see if the residence has a subscription, and can tell where the dish is aimed, and tell if is aimed in the Direction . Also, remember when you have a receiver connected, it sends power down the line to the dish, for those who think "Well anyone could have a dish mounted and aimed, but it doesnt mean Im stealing service". Yes, they can.
Simply, when are not paying for ********** regardless of IKS or FTA, or even a DN STB . You are taking a chance.
My mother has her satellite dish inside her apartment, aiming directly through a glass window and she gets 98% signal. If you are that scared, you can do this. It DOES work.
Also, a story of my own. I was receiving DN with an FTA box a couple years back, and RCMP with the company of B*v representative, came knocking on my door. They asked for permission to check out my satellite. The rcmp officer stated they were looking for B*v Theft of service, and I advised him it was Dik in USA, and he said the RCMP really doesn't care and told me not to worry because no law in Canada or ontario says you cant steal american signal. He said if you steal B*v, you would be in quite some trouble and I showed him briefly, and they left.
I hope that comforts the Canadians here in the forum. The only reason DAVE got away with charging Canadians, is because they registered a business in Canada, and stated they were going to start providing service in Canada. Then they had right to charge whoever, being a Canadian provider. They nailed thousands of people, then Closed up shop in Canada and headed home. From time to time they still come here and nail businesses. Just last week they hit a satellite shop down the street for providing equipment that allowed users to illegal obtain dik service. (Im not sure what it was or how).
c/p from another site....thanks Notorius & ipnone
i put this here in the rumor mill section because until proven that is what it is
Facts about IKS - Accessing Nagra 3
Nagra 3, which BEV and DN are using on their systems, and many fear is unbreakable is....well, broken. Its just a matter of implementing it in FTA, if this can be done because the current break is being used in Europe with Card-sharing (IKS) as well as in Nfusion in Canada/USA and Mexico.
For those who say Nfusion did not hack Nagra3. your right they didnt. They don't have to because this is the way they designed their equipment to work.
Nfusion can operate in 3 ways. (Although most people are only aware of 2).
IKS/Card Sharing - The involves sharing woring key data, almost as if you were running a subscription. This is Nfusions primary method.
Emulator - Nfusion can run in full emulation which most receivers cannot. Most are partial, although they claim full. CNX is an example of Full Emu. Although Nfusion does not currently allow both emulator and IKS . Although they have in the past, and they will again in the future. This is a "card hack" that is the same as using an Fta Receiver and Autorolling bins. This is Nfusions secondary (or backup).
KS - Yes, just plain old Key-sharing, which is pre-loaded and not maintained by internet connections. Some IKS boxes already do this (I believe Neo-IKS does this) and SonicView is currently in the works of designing a circuit board that can be added inside SV boxes. It is the same as IKS , except users are downloading the data, lets say to USB and loading them to the boxes. A mix between Emulation and IKS sort of.
At the moment, Nfusion is running IKS , but when problems occur they can release an Emulated BIN , they have done this before when having issues with IKS . At the moment we have only seen Nagra 3 operate on IKS , but that is not to say they don't have an emulator working on it.
Now, I keep reading posts and whiners saying "NFUSION NEVER HACKED N3, ITS JUST A TEMPORARY WORKAROUND." and/or "They can only access some channels, they suck/have no way to carck nagra3".
-Their goal was not the crack Nagra 3. They use key/card sharing and they have proven themselves in IKS as no other box has accessed Nagra 3 yet. Nfusion intended to use IKS to access Nagra 3 and its working. Yes at the moment they can only access some channels, and yes the list is growing daily. No one receiver coding team can snap their fingers and all the channels are there. Even when cards were cracked, we have Football Cards, Hockey Cards, Movies, Locals, etc. We didn't get "wide open" right away. Also, it is not a temporary fix, IT IS THE FIX. Some believe the job they have done is incomplete. IT IS COMPLETE. Now they are just adding channels.
The reason they don't have all the channels is because they are acquiring key data for each and every channel. It is believed they are using subscription cards (new N3/G3 cards) and sharing them amoung IKS followers (nf) allowing them access to whatever channels that card accesses. Remember when you get a sub, you dont a card and then EVERY channel is open. You get packages like sports, movies, dish 500, etc. So even if they are using Subscription cards, and people believe this will be caught and removed, they are so far the ONLY known people to read a Nagra 3 card and/or data. So before you go bashing Nfusion, they have done more than anyone else and are the only ones with a working Nagra 3 system. They have done an outstanding job. Basically, yes Nfusion has cracked Nagra 3. No they didnt release a wide open emulator. But this was their intentions, even their Nagra 2 runs on IKS not emulation.
IKS Security - Don't fear being caught or let anyone scare you
As an IKS user you take a chance, same chance as using a modified FTA box. Some people take extra steps to secure their IKS box "just in case". Remember (in Canada at least) you have rights while using the internet, many of which internet providers try to break by using EULA, but the law overpowers them in every way.
IKS Security:
Note: IKS is already on a secure connection, if Dik or B*v were able to catch users on the secure servers, they would have done so already. They can not.
Use a proxy, this involves connecting to a server somewhere else in the world, and can be done more than once to provide a lily-pad theory, so even if they did track your connection it would bounce through China to Germany to India back to China.
Use cable-hack, for those with cable internet access. if you are really worried and have a little extra spending cash. There is a cable modem, gone by the terms of Cable-Hack and we actually have a section in our forums. It is a non-provisioned cable modem, similar to that the cable company provides. This modem allows you to set your own settings instead of the cable co doing it for you. It allows you to remove your speed cap (not recommend because cable co can obviously recognize this) but also allows you to use the internet privately, and not reveal your IP/Identity. Meant for IKS users!
IKS is much safer than everyone thinks. Many people are scared, but you have just as good as a chance as being caught with an FTA Box. Allow there is no e-trail, law enforcement have many ways of detecting if you are using a service. I was previously with Cogeco Cable Loss Prevention and we had a device that when aimed at a cable line, similar to a radar gun, would show a live picture of the cable turning an orange colour, like infra red. Dish can check records to see if the residence has a subscription, and can tell where the dish is aimed, and tell if is aimed in the Direction . Also, remember when you have a receiver connected, it sends power down the line to the dish, for those who think "Well anyone could have a dish mounted and aimed, but it doesnt mean Im stealing service". Yes, they can.
Simply, when are not paying for ********** regardless of IKS or FTA, or even a DN STB . You are taking a chance.
My mother has her satellite dish inside her apartment, aiming directly through a glass window and she gets 98% signal. If you are that scared, you can do this. It DOES work.
Also, a story of my own. I was receiving DN with an FTA box a couple years back, and RCMP with the company of B*v representative, came knocking on my door. They asked for permission to check out my satellite. The rcmp officer stated they were looking for B*v Theft of service, and I advised him it was Dik in USA, and he said the RCMP really doesn't care and told me not to worry because no law in Canada or ontario says you cant steal american signal. He said if you steal B*v, you would be in quite some trouble and I showed him briefly, and they left.
I hope that comforts the Canadians here in the forum. The only reason DAVE got away with charging Canadians, is because they registered a business in Canada, and stated they were going to start providing service in Canada. Then they had right to charge whoever, being a Canadian provider. They nailed thousands of people, then Closed up shop in Canada and headed home. From time to time they still come here and nail businesses. Just last week they hit a satellite shop down the street for providing equipment that allowed users to illegal obtain dik service. (Im not sure what it was or how).