Yes, sometimes an older bin does work. But not a bin that is over a year old. I have seen another very old bin on another site and I woulnot even waste the time to load it. Sometimes I have seen people putting up junk, I think that they might be associated with a certain Co. I have seen a lot of bad info. in the last 26 years, I got my first dish in 1982 and have seen a lot of changes, most of them have been better for us.